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Life In A Northern Town

Welcome to Flashback Friday, a weekly feature devoted to the 20th anniversary of the 1986 World Champion New York Mets.

Twenty years, 43 Fridays. This is one of them.

Interleague play in 1986 was limited to eight games and they involved the same two teams. It was Mets 5 Red Sox 3. Seven of those contests were in the World Series, one was a September warmup.

Whaaa…? There was a preliminary? Yes. The Mets and Red Sox played each other on September 4 at Fenway. It was a charity affair to benefit the Jimmy Fund. Consider it a Mayor’s Trophy Game as facilitated by the Delta Shuttle.

It kind of came out of nowhere. When it appeared on the pocket schedule, it mandated a double-take. But as the season went on and the Mets and Red Sox showed every sign of locking down their respective divisions, it was billed as a World Series preview. (Bet that went over big in Houston and Anaheim.)

As an exhibition, it wasn’t important. But it was significant. Here’s Joe Klein from New York magazine that September:

It was a meeting between two teams that have a shared heritage of frustration and romance over the past quarter-century, and a surprising number of mutual fans. “There is,” says Bill James, the baseball scholar, “a definite type of fan in the Northeast, the Mets-Red Sox rooter. They are your dyed-in-the-wool Yankee-haters.” They are intellectual sorts, by and large, New Yorkers who went to school in Boston and fell in love with the Sox and Fenway; Mets fans who sought a more direct way to root against the Yankees. The prospect of a World Series between these two long-suffering fellow travelers is, at once, enormously satisfying and an existential nightmare: It would be a Subway Series of the soul.

As that exhibition came and went and, more importantly, as the collision course between New York (N) and Boston (A) for real stakes appeared inevitable, Klein’s point was proven. At least for me.

I’m assuming that every Mets fan’s kneejerk answer to “who’s your favorite American League team?” at some juncture or another in their lives has been Red Sox. They were for me from the time I learned who the Red Sox’ primary rival was; enemy of my enemy and such. Though I had never been any closer to Boston than an hour in Albany, I carried my FauxSox pride to extremes as they battled the Yankees in the late ’70s. I still remember being thought of a Red Sox fan by a particularly obnoxious Yankees fan who worked in the East End Dairy in 1978 because it was the B-for-Boston cap I wore every day that summer.

That didn’t work out so well.

After ’78, I didn’t wear the Red Sox regalia very much, preferring to be known as a Mets fan and only a Mets fan. The Red Sox faded from perennial contention in the early ’80s. I rooted for the Royals, the Brewers, the Orioles, the Blue Jays…whoever was keeping the Yankees in their place. My first pilgrimage to Fenway Park came in 1985 with mixed emotions. Tom Seaver was pitching for the White Sox, gunning for his 299th win. After idealizing the joint from afar, I wore Boston’s cap and rooted for Boston’s opponents. Tom won. I was happy for him.

One year later, the Red Sox raced to the top of their division and I could watch them on their flagship TV station, WSBK, carried by Cablevision of Long Island. They had that guy Roger Clemens who struck out 20 Mariners and April and Wage Boggs the perennial batting champion and admirable old men like Dwight Evans and Jim Rice and Bill Buckner and colorful names like Oil Can Boyd. I was happy for them.

Then at the end of June, they got Tom Seaver and I was ecstatic. Tom Terrific — my idol — on my more or less favorite American League team. He could tutor Roger Clemens (seemed like a good kid). Tom joked that all he could tell Clemens was when the bus leaves and to be on time. Great line. With him pitching and being backed up by such a good lineup, Seaver might even get to another World Series.

Uh-oh.

In my spare baseball moments of 1986, I wondered how I’d react if the Mets and Red Sox did meet. Oh, I don’t mean the ultimate outcome. It wasn’t much of a Subway Series for my soul. Mets in four or less, as far as I was concerned. But to watch them bat against Tom Seaver and to actively root for the failure of Tom Seaver on the national stage, in his first World Series in thirteen years? Choosing, possibly, between Tom Seaver, my all-timer and Dwight Gooden, my right-now’er?

Never happened. Tom got hurt in Toronto on September 19. He didn’t make the World Series roster. One of my eternal grudges against NBC is they never showed the player introductions at Shea before Game One. I wanted to see Tom’s reception. I still don’t know if it was overwhelming or if he was viewed as just another stranger in a gray uniform scheming to take away what would be rightfully ours. It was one thing to cheer Tom Seaver the visiting Red when the Mets were brutal and wounds over his departure were still raw. It was another when he was part of a team getting in the way of the Holy Met Grail.

Hey! Seavuh! Don’t tell Clemens nothin’ he could use against us!

Without Seaver, there was nothing about the Red Sox that particularly engaged me by September, let alone October. I was annoyed that Clemens had taken over Gooden’s mantle as Best Young Pitcher in the game. Sure, he was probably a swell fellow, but he was also an obstacle. Boggs? Glad he was sticking it to Mattingly in the batting race, but that’s a bat I didn’t want to see. Evans? Rice? Buckner? No thanks. I hoped we’d see the Angels after the Astros. They had guys who had fallen short of the Series too often. The Red Sox had been absent since 1975, but I was already feeling Boston fatigue, Yankee-hating simpatico or not.

Apparently, I wasn’t alone. I offer an opposing viewpoint to Joe Klein’s, from another writer, a friend of mine named Sharon Chapman. She and her husband Kevin lived in Boston in ’86, completing legal studies that summer. Before decamping to the homeland in time for a Met October, she formed her impression of our potential enemy of ourselves:

We lived within walking distance of Fenway. Our first two years we lived so close to the park, and in such a crappy neighborhood, that we didn’t have any real lighting at night unless the Red Sox were playing a night game. That was a five-minute walk from Fenway. For our third year, we had closer to a ten-minute walk, although we were right off of Beacon Street, which was nicer and closer to school. We attended Opening Day at Fenway in 1986, in the bleachers, along with Kevin’s Law Review compadres (he’s the smart one). It was the first home game of the season. As the team was introduced for the first time that year, manager John McNamara was loudly booed. I distinctly remember thinking at the time that fans who would boo their manager on Opening Day did not deserve to win anything. So when the Fenway Faithful complain about how much they suffered that season, in my opinion they brought a lot of it upon themselves. I never warmed to the Red Sox, despite living so close and seeing a lot of games in their stadium. From the moment we pulled into town with our little rented U-Haul van, I took an instant dislike to that team. And Fenway is a dump.

Sharon and Kevin overcame their Lyric Little Bandbox misgivings to attend Tom Seaver’s first game as a Red Sock. “We couldn’t not go,” she says. “He was always my favorite when I was a kid. The only time in my life I ever cut classes in college was to see him pitch Opening Day 1983.” They missed out on another piece of Red Sox history, however:

The game we almost went to that season was Clemens’ 20-strikeout game. We were thinking of going and buying tix at the gate — that was never an issue in the mid-’80s — but we had to study for the bar exam so we passed on the game.

What a shame, missing a moment like that…or not.

“In retrospect,” Sharon’s decided, “I’m glad that I wasn’t there for that asshole’s moment of glory.”

14 comments to Life In A Northern Town

  • Anonymous

    When I moved to Manhattan in 1977, Time-Warner Cable, or Manhattan Cable as it was then known, fed an almost daily supply of Red Sox and Phillie games.
    The Red Sox were interesting because in my college years I travelled there frequently and continued to have a sense of the team and city. The Phillies were interesting because they had Tug McGraw in the bullpen and in the booth they had Tim McCarver and Richie Ashburn, he of the '62 Mets and pompom beret..
    Then came America's team. Suddenly TBS hit the cable box and those Boston and Philly UHF feeds, along with a simpler time, were gone.

  • Anonymous

    Seaver did get a rousing ovation at the Game 1 opener…I believe it can be seen on the Red Sox version of the WS highlights…..me and my brother always used to joke that Seaver actually donned a Met uniform….that late Sat.nite when Mookie hit that grounder!

  • Anonymous

    My enduring image of Tom and the '86 WS, beyond him tipping his cap in the Game One introductions (which I've seen without context or extended crowd noise), is Buddy Harrelson's story that with two out in the bottom of the tenth of Game Six, Seaver in third base dugout laughingly shouted “I'll call you” to him in the third base coaching box. Then after everything happened, Buddy said he looked for Tom and let him know, “NO, I'LL CALL YOU!”

  • Anonymous

    When cable first came to my little town, I recall having heard tales of “Phillie games and Red Sox games,” which seemed so exotic. The Phillie games disappeared by the time we signed up but the Red Sox games remained into the late '80s.
    I've always wondered why the Phillies, closer to New York than Boston, never carried a scintilla of the cachet that the Red Sox did here. From 1919 to 1966 they were both mostly atrocious. From 1967 to 1983, they were both generally successful. And after 1986 but before 1998, they each had their moments but otherwise languished. Since the Red Sox phenomenon as New York's third team wasn't just invented in the past decade (though it certainly took off in the early years of this century), I'll assume that, to Joe Klein's point, there aren't a lot of Penn alumni waxing nostalgic for Connie Mack Stadium below 14th Street.

  • Anonymous

    I think the reason the Red Sox have tremendous cachet in New York and the Phillies don't is that the Sox are a national team like the Cardinals, Cubs, Dodgers, Yankmees, etc.
    You also pointed out earlier this year (here or Gotham, don't remember which) that the Mets and Phils have never developed any sort of rivalry, in stark contrast to the Sox and Satan's Minions.
    The Philles aren't hip in football-mad Philadelphia, let alone New York.

  • Anonymous

    Wow! I'm floored.
    I think the oddest part is being referred to as a writer at this point. That was so two years ago ;)
    Just for the record, Kevin was much more Red Sox friendly than I during our stay in Beantown. And we have a friend Neil who grew up on Long Island with me but who has lived in Suburban Boston since the early '80s – he fits the Bill James description of “a definite type of fan in the Northeast, the Mets-Red Sox rooter. They are your dyed-in-the-wool Yankee-haters” to a tee.
    But I never liked them. It was hate at first sight for me.

  • Anonymous

    There was a moment back there in the early '80s when the Phillies could have been a national team. In one episode of The White Shadow, which was set in L.A., Morris Thorpe wore a Phillies cap to school.
    That was the moment.

  • Anonymous

    Uh, I didn't mean to be anonymous there. But just to continue the point, if you were to go back to the '50s, the Phillies were way bigger than the Eagles. But Philadelphia seems the kind of place that was just waiting for something violent, ugly and disappointing to overtake baseball.
    Yes, I wrote about the non-rivalry here and at that other place and I'm not sorry we're not infiltrated by Phillies fans. Have you ever seen more than a handful of Phillies fans at Shea when their team visits? It's a lot different from a Mets @ Phillies situation.

  • Anonymous

    Writer, librarian…it's all good.

  • Anonymous

    If the Mets played the Eagles in charity softball you'd probably have a greater migration up the turnpike than you get for the Phillies.

  • Anonymous

    Pardon me a moment while I review my list:
    –Don't tug on Superman's cape. Check.
    –Don't spit into the wind. Check.
    –Continue to avoid “Trivial Pursuit 80's Edition” death-match with Greg Prince. Check.

  • Anonymous

    Yes- I love that Harrelson story…..Seaver should have ended his career with the Mets….and he did in a way when he tried to come back in 1987……love ALL of your blogs…this is a wonderful website, helps keep us far away Met fans tuned in.
    cheers from Singapore! (land of Woild Cup watchers)

  • Anonymous

    Singapore? And we thought Toronto was exotic.
    Thanks for reading us in another hemisphere. Faith and Fear in the Far East…who knew?

  • Anonymous

    The Mets fan diaspora reaches far and wide. I watch nearly every game via mlb.tv and read your blog from Taiwan. Writing is getting to be such a lost art, but you are a damn fine writer.